Attempted Murder of SAID/SIOE Organizers
There's a rumor flying around the blogosphere that SIOE/Vlaams Belang, the Swedish Democrat party (or whatever), is some kind of Nazi group. I don't know the full story, but from what I gather at Gates of Vienna and Atlas Shrugs they've been trying to distance themselves from whatever went on in the past. Charles Johnson has already applied the 'racist' brand, (without full knowledge of the facts, btw), causing me to lose quite a bit of respect for him.
I've got some news for Charles and other armchair generals who appear squeamish: this is an ethnic conflict, like it or not. The people who are currently trying to resist Islamization are all native Europeans. The people who are trying to impose it are not. This is a war. Unsavory characters will show up on your side that you may not be able to eliminate. The MSM and others will call you 'racist' and all sorts of other unsavory and untrue things, but you must press on regardless. Really, Charles is on the same side as CAIR in this, as Conservative Swede observes:We had a Counterjihad conference in Brussels, and with reference to this Charles of LGF felt prompted to warn against neo-Nazism. And this was the only thing he felt the urge to post about it. It's very sad to see that Charles' post had no different message about the conference than that of CAIR. Charles could of course still differentiate himself from CAIR by posting something positive about this conference -- this ground-breaking event where history was written. But instead of that, when being criticized by Pamela at Atlasshrugs, for what was effectively a decisive blow against the conference, he decided to not pay attention to the criticism but instead opted for accusing Pamela of "attacking friends", and suggested that she should "take a step back and turn down the rhetoric".The rhetoric that needs to be turned down is the one used by Charles about Vlaams Belang. As long as he is echoing these lies, he deserves to be strongly criticized, whether he can take it or not. Paul Belien completely debunks the turned-up rhetoric that Charles helps swirling around in the echo-chamber:
"It is simply not true that "Vlaams Belang's founders were Nazi collaborators in WW II.""The Vlaams Blok, predecessor to the Vlaams Belang, was founded in 1977 by Karel Dillen (1925-2007). Mr Dillen came from a non-political background. His father, an Antwerp labourer, abandoned his wife and their two sons when when Dillen was still a baby. He was raised by his mother. Neither he, nor his brother nor his mother were involved in any political activities at all during the war, let alone that they belonged to pro-Nazi and collaborationist groups."
"Vlaams Belang founder Filip Dewinter was born in 1962 in a family that cannot be accused of Nazi sympathies. His father and uncle were members of the anti-German Resistance. Vlaams Belang was founded in 2004, sixty years after the end of WW II."
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I know Charles is supporting counterjihadism in America, but unfortunately he effectively works against it in Europe (as shown here). America is a tree with its roots in Europe. America share its destiny with Europe. With Europe gone, America is doomed too. So anyone being serious about counterjihadism must support counterjihadism in Europe, i.e. this all-European anti-Jihad alliance that is now emerging. It's in Europe that the time is five to twelve. That's why the pivotal struggle of the whole West is here. Americans of course have the time to sit back and wait, letting the theater of Nazi trolls paralyze them from supporting European efforts. In Europe we do not have this luxury. And it's really not wise for Americans to stay idle about the plight of Europe either. Many a good American have realized this: Gates of Vienna, Center for Vigilant Freedom, Atlas Shrugs, to name a few. Americans even took a leading role in this effort to make Europeans come together. Yes, the theater of Nazi trolls is in play here too, and there are other issues between different European nations, so it made it easier for someone from the outside (Americans) to mediate in this, and creating the critical mass of an all-European effort. Thank you America for the Internet! And thank you America for these good people, the bravest and the best!
Emphasis mine. We're about 5 or 10 years behind Europe, if you ask me. Don't expect the Mexicans we have hear to be anything but a giant millstone around our necks (I can develop that idea further upon request).
Dymphna of Gates of Vienna perhaps said it the best:There will be some less-than-ideal people piggy-backing on this movement to save the various European states and cultures.Which is my feeling as well. At the end of the day, everyone will be siding with their own race in Europe. Look at the photos of the anti-jihad rallies, there's precious few north Africans in them, aren't there? If you're afraid of being called a racist, stay home, but please leave the branding to the MSM and stop eating your own if you're a conservative.So what? Perfection is the enemy of good enough. If we have to wait until everything is "pure" then Europe will fall.
The multi-cultis will call us racist xenophobes anyway.
The Vanishing American has a very important post on this current internecine fighting in the conservative blogosphere.
The more time that passes, the more I realize that neo-conservatism is another form of leftism. It has no room for disagreement of opinion, and engages in a sort of doublethink when it comes to issues of ethnicity and nationalism. This latest example by Charles Johnson just points out the futility of their way of thinking. Charles, by the way, lives in Redondo Beach, which is practically the whitest part of Los Angeles, including Beverly Hills. I guess he's a closeted racist as well.
Banned from HotAir! - Ahahahaha! It's probably for the best. Not to sound like sour grapes or whatever, but I've recently realized I probably don't have much in common with neo-conservatives anyway. I'm way too paleo.
For the record, I'm not a Holocaust denier, nor am I an apologist for the same. When confronted with Holocaust denial, I usually try to calmly explain that the Holocaust was the most documented event in history and that we know it killed as many people as it did because we could ask the survivors who perished amongst their family members. I doubt seriously that survivors conspired together in the days following their liberation and conjured up some big lie with which to guilt Westerners forever, as neo-Nazis have charged, but my actual beliefs never prevented AllahPundit from slandering me.
Either way, it's for the best. It is rather alarming that the Left and the Muslims are able to so easily employ Hitler's tactics against the neo-cons. For fear of being called 'racist', they'll turn on anyone. Spineless people don't make good allies in the long run, so beware.
Diana West agrees with me re: Vlaams Belang! Kick rocks, AP and CJ!
jihadwatcher: follower of Christ and Nazi apologist
PRCalDude: follower of Christ and Nazi apologistChristians, you have some serious house-cleaning to do. Being anti-jihad does NOT trump all sins. The Nazis were evil and deserved to be utterly destroyed and their evil ideology ground into the dirt.
Is this the face you want put on your religion — one that lovingly embraces neo-Nazis?
Loundry on October 29, 2007 at 10:18 AM
"Spiritual terror" is fun!


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Off-topic: My girlfriend was in a motorcycle crash earlier today. She's alive and not paralysed but in a lot of pain. Or was until they eventually pumped her full of morphine. Apparently one of the benefits of government health care is that it takes a nurse half an hour to give a painkiller to a screaming victim. (I have private health care, she doesn't.) I would appreciate it if you all would pray for her recovery.
On-topic: Charles Johnson may be succumbing to his own prejudices. In an interview he gave to Rightwingnews a few years ago he said he was reading Hitler's Willing Executioners which is a book (whose evidence have been hotly disputed) that claims that all European countries were in on the Holocaust gleefully transporting Jews to Poland for extermination.
When he once accused Ireland of being Pro-Nazi during WWII I emailed him to point out that 100,000 Irishmen fought for Britain providing more volunteers than pre-war America and got no response.
The thing is that Charles Johnson, Ralph Peters and Mark Steyn are so repulsed by the sliminess, corruption and immorality of Europeans politicians (and I fully agree with them on that score) that they seem to sometimes half-welcome the Islamisation of Europe.
Steyn responded to anti-European emailers about six months ago that America could survive as a lone candle of liberty in a world of darkness yet he never misses an opportunity to gloat when European countries stumble into dhimmitude and incoherency.
Ralph Peters assures us that Europeans are so naturally savage that they will simply exterminate their Muslim populations so...problem solved. To this end he cites the expulsion of the Hughenots from France...failing to note that they found refuge in Britain.
The smug and condescending near-gloating of European politicians after September 11th opened a dangerous rift in the Western world. Conservatives would do well to rise above this as our shared destiny far outweighs contemporary squabbling.
Steyn responded to anti-European emailers about six months ago that America could survive as a lone candle of liberty in a world of darkness yet he never misses an opportunity to gloat when European countries stumble into dhimmitude and incoherency.
That should read Steyn said America could not survive as a lone candle of liberty with the loss of Europe, just to clarify.
Emphasis mine. We're about 5 or 10 years behind Europe, if you ask me. Don't expect the Mexicans we have hear to be anything but a giant millstone around our necks (I can develop that idea further upon request).
Please do.
What Allahpundit did was show that even on the blogs, political correctness still holds sway. As I said in one of my posts, even in the so-called conservative blogs, a certain intolerance for anything they deem to be racist is evident, kowtowing to same mindset against which they are supposed to, have have, railed.
Why? Because they are afraid. They are afraid of the Left media machine, the same leftists they always attack as being unhinged, to use Malkin's expression, will attack them simply for the comments on the board, even though the comment board already has a disclaimer disassociating themselves from any comment.
Not good enough. They feel they need to take it further to give themselves more insulation, more protection from their enemies, which are also our enemies. So what they do, is they perform a sacrifice, they sacrifice some of their own, to appease the politically correct Gods, to ensure a plentiful harvest next year.
Craven.
Blogs like hotair are a business more than they are any source for "alternative viewpoint", as they are often billed. Malkin has a business, and she worries about the Left putting too much heat on her.
So she let Allahpundit, who, by the way, is not a pundit on islam, has never studied islam in any way, or as far as anyone knows, any other subject, to ban certain people who expressed themselves so eloquently that they could not be banned for any real, traditional reason.
So they banned several people simply for the George Orwellian crime of "being an apologist" for someone they don't like.
So yes, we were sold out for reasons having to do with business and political correctness. What happens is that by pruning the membership for political views, they can cultivate a membership that stays within its own ideological camp. That is not what such alternative blogs advertise in their brochure. They bill themselves as a place where alternative views to the MSM can be heard. As long as you remain civil, you can post. But, no, that is not he case. As long as you tow their line, you can post. In the end, the censorship of the political discourse that they correctly blame the MSM for, is also evident in their management as well.
But then again, a site that nominates a libertarian atheist to be the main moderator, is a site that already has any right wing credentials in question.
Sorry I'm getting to this so late. Will do. How is she doing today?
Whoa. Banned from HotAir. Oh well.
Jihadwatcher,
For the record, I wasn't apologizing for Holocaust denial, or Nick Griffin. But people can honestly change their views about things and it appears that they're trying to weed out the bad elements of their party. That link I provided on the page had an interview with Nick Griffin, where Griffin basically pointed out how paranoid and irrational these different Jewish conspiracy theories are. Neo-conservatism is really a left-wing movement, and most neocons are 'recovering' leftists themselves. Charles Johnson went on this tirade against VB, as some kind of an anti-semitic group, probably in an effort to immunize himself as a racist or anti-semite himself.
Basically, if the other side can get conservatives to do this to themselves, then they're employing Hitler's tactics quite successfully.
Hitler used to slander the strongest members of his opposition until the opposition would turn on them in order to preserve themselves from the same. Pretty soon the Nazis, a minority party, were in control of everything.
Allahpundit and CJ are falling for it hook, line, and sinker, but they're blind.
Sorry I'm getting to this so late. Will do. How is she doing today?
She's okay. After X-Rays and a CT scan I know she has no permanent injuries. Sabrina is recovering slowly (yet painfully). No permanent damage, thank God.
She has been allowed home without a neck brace.
Aengus,
I've got quite a bit of experience with neck pain and all that from injuries I've had. Get her into PT as soon as possible, and we'll keep praying!
Aengus,
My best wishes for your girlfriends recovery. I recently had neck surgery replacing a blown disk. The right doctors can do some great things, as long as the patient takes it easy.
What?
Lawrence,
Apparently I was spreading the seeds of anti-semitism and Nazism over HotAir for posting a link suggesting that the BNP had cleaned up its act.
Apparently, having several Jewish friends and attending the bris of my boss' infant son was not enough to innoculate me from the disease of anti-semitism.
There's not much hope for me now!
/sarc
Remind me never to play Devil's Advocate over there...
You know what's funny? We have a fundamental Centrist like Allahpundit banning a fundamental Right leaning poster for playing devil's advocate in fundamental Leftist debate.
What irks AllahPundit so much is when his centrist views are revealed for what they really are. He is exactly what he argues against, a fundamentalist, irrespective that he squarely in the center rather than right or left.
But he's a lawyer, and he is trained to think this way. So I'm rarely surprised at what trips his trigger.
yeah. I was pretty mad, but I cooled off. Here's what I sent him in an email:
People are going to be afraid to say anything there.
I still don't see what's wrong with the British banding together as an ethnic entity against a threat to that entity. I mean, Islam wants to essentially "wipe the British people off the map." Are the Sikhs, Indians, Slovenians, Romanians, and all these other groups helping the counter-jihad. NO! They're not.
This must be the pit of vile racists I keep reading about on the 'official' right-wing blogs. Since I was banned by Hot Air this must be the place I belong. I now have the distinction of having my blog banned in Iran and my comments banned by AllahPundit. The only reason I'm not banned by LGF is that I don't post there very often.
But it's for the best. Hot Air, as a subsidiary of Michelle Malkin, is carrying water for the Republican party, regardless of the consequences for our culture. And AP is such a strident atheist - all the tirades against Christianity become quite tiresome.
I'm not a racist and I resent even having to defend myself from these absurd charges. That said I think we are in a war against jihadism and as such some of our allies will not be lily pure by our standards when comes to race (whatever that word means this week).
Glad to have found this blog though. Good night and God bless.
Welcome aboard Thomas.
I almost got myself in trouble a few weeks back by pointing out how the Center defends their right to their opinion, but then demands that the Right abandon our religious ideologies to support their fight for power against the Left. Probably fortunate that Allahpundit didn't involve himself in that debate. Allahpundit's own hypocricy is brought into sharp focus from time to time and he doesn't like it.
The thing about anything anti-semitic, whether intended or not, is that it could lead to bad press for him and Michelle. But any anti-anything else is okay because that conflict draws traffic.
So... you Thomas, and PRCal, now know what it's like to be sacrificed to the altar of political correctness.
"I still don't see what's wrong with the British banding together as an ethnic entity."
Neither do I. Ethnic separatism is official US policy in Serbia and the so-called West Bank. The Senate has called for partition in Iraq along ethnic lines. But if you dare say that maybe England should be for the English or Flanders for the Flemish then you're a racist. All over the globe every tribe with a flag can whine to the UN about getting a homeland but if an indigenous European group dares to organize then they are decried as Nazis. It's the rankest hypocrisy.
Heh. I actually like pain, for the most part, as long as it's not chronic ;)
Here something I noted from LGF:
Then he add links (you need to got there to get the links).
If you link on the link to the racist symbol description it says this:
"This is one of the most popular symbols for neo-Nazis and white supremacists. First popularized by the Ku Klux Klan, the symbol was later adopted by the National Front in England and other racists such as Don Black on his Web site, Stormfront, and the racist band Skrewdriver to represent international "white pride." It is also known as Odin’s Cross. It is important to note that the Celtic Cross is used widely today in many mainstream and cultural contexts. No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol."
Which is exactly the point that you guys were arguing... backed up by LGF's own reference.
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Yes! Thank you for pointing out that blatant hypocrisy! We claim to be a 'colorblind' society but contradict ourselves at every turn. This is called 'doublethink.'
I'll try to get to it on Tuesday. Tomorrow, I've gotta see my doc in Seattle for my own chronic neck pain. ;) If your girlfriend starts to develop some, I'm something of an expert in dealing with it or directing you to the right people.