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Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 02:20PM by Registered CommenterPRCalDude in | Comments48 Comments

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Off-topic: My girlfriend was in a motorcycle crash earlier today. She's alive and not paralysed but in a lot of pain. Or was until they eventually pumped her full of morphine. Apparently one of the benefits of government health care is that it takes a nurse half an hour to give a painkiller to a screaming victim. (I have private health care, she doesn't.) I would appreciate it if you all would pray for her recovery.

On-topic: Charles Johnson may be succumbing to his own prejudices. In an interview he gave to Rightwingnews a few years ago he said he was reading Hitler's Willing Executioners which is a book (whose evidence have been hotly disputed) that claims that all European countries were in on the Holocaust gleefully transporting Jews to Poland for extermination.

When he once accused Ireland of being Pro-Nazi during WWII I emailed him to point out that 100,000 Irishmen fought for Britain providing more volunteers than pre-war America and got no response.

The thing is that Charles Johnson, Ralph Peters and Mark Steyn are so repulsed by the sliminess, corruption and immorality of Europeans politicians (and I fully agree with them on that score) that they seem to sometimes half-welcome the Islamisation of Europe.

Steyn responded to anti-European emailers about six months ago that America could survive as a lone candle of liberty in a world of darkness yet he never misses an opportunity to gloat when European countries stumble into dhimmitude and incoherency.

Ralph Peters assures us that Europeans are so naturally savage that they will simply exterminate their Muslim populations so...problem solved. To this end he cites the expulsion of the Hughenots from France...failing to note that they found refuge in Britain.

The smug and condescending near-gloating of European politicians after September 11th opened a dangerous rift in the Western world. Conservatives would do well to rise above this as our shared destiny far outweighs contemporary squabbling.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteraengus

Steyn responded to anti-European emailers about six months ago that America could survive as a lone candle of liberty in a world of darkness yet he never misses an opportunity to gloat when European countries stumble into dhimmitude and incoherency.

That should read Steyn said America could not survive as a lone candle of liberty with the loss of Europe, just to clarify.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteraengus

Emphasis mine. We're about 5 or 10 years behind Europe, if you ask me. Don't expect the Mexicans we have hear to be anything but a giant millstone around our necks (I can develop that idea further upon request).

Please do.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteraengus

What Allahpundit did was show that even on the blogs, political correctness still holds sway. As I said in one of my posts, even in the so-called conservative blogs, a certain intolerance for anything they deem to be racist is evident, kowtowing to same mindset against which they are supposed to, have have, railed.

Why? Because they are afraid. They are afraid of the Left media machine, the same leftists they always attack as being unhinged, to use Malkin's expression, will attack them simply for the comments on the board, even though the comment board already has a disclaimer disassociating themselves from any comment.

Not good enough. They feel they need to take it further to give themselves more insulation, more protection from their enemies, which are also our enemies. So what they do, is they perform a sacrifice, they sacrifice some of their own, to appease the politically correct Gods, to ensure a plentiful harvest next year.

Craven.

Blogs like hotair are a business more than they are any source for "alternative viewpoint", as they are often billed. Malkin has a business, and she worries about the Left putting too much heat on her.

So she let Allahpundit, who, by the way, is not a pundit on islam, has never studied islam in any way, or as far as anyone knows, any other subject, to ban certain people who expressed themselves so eloquently that they could not be banned for any real, traditional reason.

So they banned several people simply for the George Orwellian crime of "being an apologist" for someone they don't like.

So yes, we were sold out for reasons having to do with business and political correctness. What happens is that by pruning the membership for political views, they can cultivate a membership that stays within its own ideological camp. That is not what such alternative blogs advertise in their brochure. They bill themselves as a place where alternative views to the MSM can be heard. As long as you remain civil, you can post. But, no, that is not he case. As long as you tow their line, you can post. In the end, the censorship of the political discourse that they correctly blame the MSM for, is also evident in their management as well.

But then again, a site that nominates a libertarian atheist to be the main moderator, is a site that already has any right wing credentials in question.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterJihadwatcher

Off-topic: My girlfriend was in a motorcycle crash earlier today. She's alive and not paralysed but in a lot of pain. Or was until they eventually pumped her full of morphine. Apparently one of the benefits of government health care is that it takes a nurse half an hour to give a painkiller to a screaming victim. (I have private health care, she doesn't.) I would appreciate it if you all would pray for her recovery.


Sorry I'm getting to this so late. Will do. How is she doing today?

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

Whoa. Banned from HotAir. Oh well.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

Jihadwatcher,

For the record, I wasn't apologizing for Holocaust denial, or Nick Griffin. But people can honestly change their views about things and it appears that they're trying to weed out the bad elements of their party. That link I provided on the page had an interview with Nick Griffin, where Griffin basically pointed out how paranoid and irrational these different Jewish conspiracy theories are. Neo-conservatism is really a left-wing movement, and most neocons are 'recovering' leftists themselves. Charles Johnson went on this tirade against VB, as some kind of an anti-semitic group, probably in an effort to immunize himself as a racist or anti-semite himself.

Basically, if the other side can get conservatives to do this to themselves, then they're employing Hitler's tactics quite successfully.

Hitler used to slander the strongest members of his opposition until the opposition would turn on them in order to preserve themselves from the same. Pretty soon the Nazis, a minority party, were in control of everything.

Allahpundit and CJ are falling for it hook, line, and sinker, but they're blind.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

Sorry I'm getting to this so late. Will do. How is she doing today?

She's okay. After X-Rays and a CT scan I know she has no permanent injuries. Sabrina is recovering slowly (yet painfully). No permanent damage, thank God.

She has been allowed home without a neck brace.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteraengus

Aengus,

I've got quite a bit of experience with neck pain and all that from injuries I've had. Get her into PT as soon as possible, and we'll keep praying!

October 28, 2007 | Registered CommenterPRCalDude

Aengus,

My best wishes for your girlfriends recovery. I recently had neck surgery replacing a blown disk. The right doctors can do some great things, as long as the patient takes it easy.


October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawrence


Whoa. Banned from HotAir. Oh well.

October 28, 2007 | PRCalDude

What?

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawrence

Lawrence,

Apparently I was spreading the seeds of anti-semitism and Nazism over HotAir for posting a link suggesting that the BNP had cleaned up its act.

Apparently, having several Jewish friends and attending the bris of my boss' infant son was not enough to innoculate me from the disease of anti-semitism.

There's not much hope for me now!

/sarc

October 28, 2007 | Registered CommenterPRCalDude

Remind me never to play Devil's Advocate over there...

You know what's funny? We have a fundamental Centrist like Allahpundit banning a fundamental Right leaning poster for playing devil's advocate in fundamental Leftist debate.

What irks AllahPundit so much is when his centrist views are revealed for what they really are. He is exactly what he argues against, a fundamentalist, irrespective that he squarely in the center rather than right or left.

But he's a lawyer, and he is trained to think this way. So I'm rarely surprised at what trips his trigger.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawrence

Remind me never to play Devil's Advocate over there...

You know what's funny? We have a fundamental Centrist like Allahpundit banning a fundamental Right leaning poster for playing devil's advocate in fundamental Leftist debate.


yeah. I was pretty mad, but I cooled off. Here's what I sent him in an email:
I'm not quite sure what you banned me and others for, but your hypocrisy as an apologist for a man who recently reversed himself as a supporter of partial-birth abortion and abortion on demand is considerably more offensive than our apologies for somebody who changed his mind on Holocaust denial. As near as I can tell, abortion on demand continues to kill people, but Holocaust denial continues to kill no one. I guess you think you're God and just get to borrow moral capital from Christianity when it suits you, but blast us when it doesn't. At least try to maintain some consistency, for crying out loud.

Keep on keeping on with your pals like jummy, who add nothing thoughtful other than labeling everyone a Nazi (which the label you're going to get when the Dems make enough progress in their agenda, btw), while banning people like myself and whoever else you got in your purge. People on your website are now going to be much more afraid to disagree with you or say anything, which is going to make the entire thing a bunch of snappy one-liners and regurgitations of your point of view.

Whatever, you've got the moral high ground, I guess.

People are going to be afraid to say anything there.

I still don't see what's wrong with the British banding together as an ethnic entity against a threat to that entity. I mean, Islam wants to essentially "wipe the British people off the map." Are the Sikhs, Indians, Slovenians, Romanians, and all these other groups helping the counter-jihad. NO! They're not.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

This must be the pit of vile racists I keep reading about on the 'official' right-wing blogs. Since I was banned by Hot Air this must be the place I belong. I now have the distinction of having my blog banned in Iran and my comments banned by AllahPundit. The only reason I'm not banned by LGF is that I don't post there very often.

But it's for the best. Hot Air, as a subsidiary of Michelle Malkin, is carrying water for the Republican party, regardless of the consequences for our culture. And AP is such a strident atheist - all the tirades against Christianity become quite tiresome.

I'm not a racist and I resent even having to defend myself from these absurd charges. That said I think we are in a war against jihadism and as such some of our allies will not be lily pure by our standards when comes to race (whatever that word means this week).

Glad to have found this blog though. Good night and God bless.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterThomas the Wraith

Welcome aboard Thomas.

I almost got myself in trouble a few weeks back by pointing out how the Center defends their right to their opinion, but then demands that the Right abandon our religious ideologies to support their fight for power against the Left. Probably fortunate that Allahpundit didn't involve himself in that debate. Allahpundit's own hypocricy is brought into sharp focus from time to time and he doesn't like it.

The thing about anything anti-semitic, whether intended or not, is that it could lead to bad press for him and Michelle. But any anti-anything else is okay because that conflict draws traffic.

So... you Thomas, and PRCal, now know what it's like to be sacrificed to the altar of political correctness.


October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawrence

"I still don't see what's wrong with the British banding together as an ethnic entity."

Neither do I. Ethnic separatism is official US policy in Serbia and the so-called West Bank. The Senate has called for partition in Iraq along ethnic lines. But if you dare say that maybe England should be for the English or Flanders for the Flemish then you're a racist. All over the globe every tribe with a flag can whine to the UN about getting a homeland but if an indigenous European group dares to organize then they are decried as Nazis. It's the rankest hypocrisy.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterThomas the Wraith

So... you Thomas, and PRCal, now know what it's like to be sacrificed to the altar of political correctness.


Heh. I actually like pain, for the most part, as long as it's not chronic ;)

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

Here something I noted from LGF:

Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 9:47:02 am PST

Here’s an open thread for a sunny Sunday morning, as I try to catch up with dozens of emails on the Vlaams Belang videos I posted yesterday. I’m getting a lot of support from European readers, and also a lot of people trying to rationalize away the White Power symbol on Filip DeWinter’s bookshelf.

Then he add links (you need to got there to get the links).


UPDATE at 10/28/07 10:50:29 am:

This is a traditional Celtic Cross.

This is the racist symbol of neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

If you link on the link to the racist symbol description it says this:

"This is one of the most popular symbols for neo-Nazis and white supremacists. First popularized by the Ku Klux Klan, the symbol was later adopted by the National Front in England and other racists such as Don Black on his Web site, Stormfront, and the racist band Skrewdriver to represent international "white pride." It is also known as Odin’s Cross. It is important to note that the Celtic Cross is used widely today in many mainstream and cultural contexts. No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol."

Which is exactly the point that you guys were arguing... backed up by LGF's own reference.

???

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawrence

Neither do I. Ethnic separatism is official US policy in Serbia and the so-called West Bank. The Senate has called for partition in Iraq along ethnic lines. But if you dare say that maybe England should be for the English or Flanders for the Flemish then you're a racist. All over the globe every tribe with a flag can whine to the UN about getting a homeland but if an indigenous European group dares to organize then they are decried as Nazis. It's the rankest hypocrisy.


Yes! Thank you for pointing out that blatant hypocrisy! We claim to be a 'colorblind' society but contradict ourselves at every turn. This is called 'doublethink.'

Emphasis mine. We're about 5 or 10 years behind Europe, if you ask me. Don't expect the Mexicans we have hear to be anything but a giant millstone around our necks (I can develop that idea further upon request).

Please do.


I'll try to get to it on Tuesday. Tomorrow, I've gotta see my doc in Seattle for my own chronic neck pain. ;) If your girlfriend starts to develop some, I'm something of an expert in dealing with it or directing you to the right people.

October 28, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterPRCalDude

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