He is a moderate Republican trying to straddle the fence. He is a classic moderate "uniter" who's has succeeded not in uniting everyone with him, but in uniting everyone against him.

By the way, I have enjoyed (and benefitted) from the recent comments by Mole, Henry, and Lawrence concerning American Revolution.

I have made my phone calls concerning the amnesty legislation.

I simply cannot believe Grover Norquist below. He actually believes that tens and tens of millions of illegal aliens, after receiving USA citizenship, will ultimately become Adam Smith, free market capitalist, voting Libertarian/conservative on political issues.

How? Most of them do not even have a high school diploma. They come from countries where socialism is the "end thing." They have no basic understanding of the U.S. Constitution, let alone the basic knowledge of "judicial restraint" or "original intent."

Grover Norquist is weird. He really thinks these millions and millions of aliens, upon receiving USA citizenship, will eventually vote GOP.

See below.

Exit question: Is Grover Norquist "with it." Or does he really live in an ivory tower.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/07/audio-laura-ingraham-vs-grover-norquist/

How? Most of them do not even have a high school diploma. They come from countries where socialism is the "end thing."

This is a very good point. They are already used to that certain type of life... they think that is what works, and that it should be that way. I personally know people (through school) that have this mentality. In my case, a little different (but same idea), these international college students (esp. South American) come here to our universities, get an education here, so that they may return to their countries and become successful (b/c they have an American education)... all the while criticizing our country and practically everything it stands for.

Blows my mind. How do they think America came about and became successful? Socialism? Communism? It's unbelievable. I always wonder, do they ever stop and ask themselves why it must be our country that gives them an education, and not another?

Anyways, I'll stop ranting before I get upset ;-)

He really thinks these millions and millions of aliens, upon receiving USA citizenship, will eventually vote GOP.

Yes, I am thankful that the bad piece of legislation never became estabished law. Am I "glad?" Am I gloating? No. It is very hard to be "glad" when one sees the depressing, grave news that a majority of our Senators refused to enforce existing laws. It leaves one very sad when one sees the far majority, "on a up and down vote," are opposed to doing the right thing.
The Senators each swore to uphold the Constitution. How can I be "glad" when I know the majority do not obey the Constitution.

Here are some very somber facts:

***if the Senate vote was an "up and down" vote, then amnesty would have been granted easily. It wasn't because of DeMint. Because DeMint and Sessions have said they would fillbuster the bill, thus making the number "41" very relevant.
***the cloture vote "nays" were still in the minority. That is, the majority wanted to suppress debate and immediately vote on a massive bill (hundreds of pages) that nobody except a very few people had even read. Talk about Venzenuela and Chavez here. Right here in USA politics!! 99% of the Congress had NOT even read the bill, yet Reid ALMOST was successful with "ending debate" that would have fundamentally altered the course of America.
***if Jim DeMint, Sessions, Dorgan (Democrat from ND) had not "stood their groud" on principle, this bill would easily have became law. Remember everybody: Kyl of Arizona has traditionally been one of us who obeys the Constitution. Yet, look at the backroom maneuvering and one sees Kyl abandoning principle and the rule of law so quickly. Even Cornyn and Hutchinson both of Texas sounded like they might give in to pressure. Peer pressure in the Senate is so contagious. Trent Lott of MS and Mitch McConnell of Kentucky need to be immediately cut from the GOP leadership team. Where would we be without DeMint and Sessions?
***somebody needs to start running a primary challenge, and start raising money NOW to replace Lindsey Graham of SC.
***I marvelled in disbelief at how the media spin machine repeatedly emphasized this bill would "tighten our borders," yet this same Congress votes to de-fund building the fence. Remember, this amnesty legislation occurred in the weeks of Fort Dix terrorists, tubercolis border security scandal, etc. And yet the majority of our Senators do not care. And that is very depressing.
***I marvelled in disbelief at each of the amendments. I was shocked at some of them, and I was gravely concerned about the vote results.
***The conservatives need to man the battle-stations, remain vigilant, and keep on educating the public.

This issue will not go away. Remember, 10 thousand people are expected to cross the open and porous borders by the end of today. And this does not even mention the Visa over-stays.

ColtsFan,

That's exactly how I feel about this as well. Honestly, I am quite disgusted with President Bush and the GOP over all of this. I also think quite a bit of damage has been done to the conservative base of the GOP in all of this, and it won't be forgotten easily.

Vietnam bit the Dems in the butt. Looks like this shamnesty bill is going to be our equivalent. I think there are a great many on the right upset about this... enough that it would make a difference come November (and beyond).

In my opinion, just for example, McCain might as well hang up his hopes for the presidency. I really don't think it's gonna happen for him.

Bush has already stated that he wants the bill back on the agenda. We'll just see about that. Rahm Emmanuel is pretty pessimistic about it, stating that if the president can't even muster Republican support in the Senate, there's no way he'll do it in the House (he put the true number of votes needed at 40, so Pelosi was lying about the 70). It'll be back, rest assured.

It is so easy for me to be "quick to complain." But am I "quicker to compliment."

Folks, our Constitution was in peril yesterday as legislators struggled for hours over how to reward law-breakers with USA citizenship.

But 3 Senators stood in their paths: DeMint of SC, Sessions of AL, and Dorgan, Democrat from North Dakota.

I am sure there are other Senators who are deserving of our praise and respect.

But the point is: are you "quick to compliment" the Senators who did stand up for truth, who defended the Constitution?

I myself have already called and spoke to the staff of Dorgan and DeMint offices. I thanked them for working for Senators who love and respect the Constitution.

Are we quicker to compliment?

ColtsFan,

That is a very good point, and something that I don't enough about in situations like this... it's true, it is very easy to seek out the "bad guy" and offer criticism. Thank you for that insight.

Many years ago, when I lived in Texas, I heard an interview on a Christian talk show ("Point of View") with a Marine Corps officer (Hispanic) who specialized in what was then called "Liberation Theology". This was sometime in the early '80s. It was then pretty much a Latin American thing- of course, simply a tool of the Communists, putting a "religious" and racial facade on Maoist/Leninist revolution. He said that the main purpose of this movement at that time was to create beachheads (Red governments) from which to infiltrate free countries, encourage open borders and massive immigration and, thereby, create huge Left-wing voting blocks, especially in the U.S.A.. This movement recieved great support from "Liberal" churches and politicians in this country, and this Marine officer named specifically the nation of Mexico as one of the main anti-U.S. perpetrators of this movement at that time.

Sound familiar? You folks have all hit it on the head concerning the Socialist/entitlement (actually Pagan) mindset of the vast majority of immigrants, especially Latin American and Middle Eastern. Although under different titles, "Liberation Theology" lives on, and would have us believe we are being "merciful to the poor and helpless" when, in reality, we are building our own gallows.
As the Lord God used the Pagan nations of old to discipline Israel when she slid away from Him, so we should not be surprised at these similarities to us today, as our brother PRCal has pointed out in past posts about the fall of Rome. This should inspire us to pray more than ever!!
Keep up the great work, PRC...

Thanks, Toa. Here's more on liberation theology. The disturbing thing I see in the Latino community is that just about anything a Latino needs to do to get ahead in America (learning English, getting an education) is viewed as 'acting white.' It appears that the liberation theology has sort of grown out of this mindset as well. Socialism hasn't worked out in Latin America (same as everywhere else) but that doesn't mean it can't work here. Right? Right?

Acting White?

Yet, Latinos embrace Spanish language which is effectively a classical European (as in white) language?

The point about getting ahead in American is an important one.

There are two predominant camps of immigrants. Those who want to get ahead by becoming Americans, and those who simply want (or want to take) what Americans have.

I firmly believe the majority of immigrants generally want to be considered in the first group. But they aren't the problem. The problem is the ever increasing number of immigrants (and illegal immigrants) in the second group.

Whoa....Thanks for the link, P.R.C.- tremendous documentation!!!!!

The disturbing thing I see in the Latino community is that just about anything a Latino needs to do to get ahead in America (learning English, getting an education) is viewed as 'acting white.'

Oh man PRC, you've nailed it right here! I know exactly what you're talking about... I don't think I've ever mentioned this, but my dad is Puerto Rican and my mom is Cuban... I was born here. And I very much look Hispanic as well. Well, when I was in high school, I sorta got caught in the wrong crowd... among other things, these were the type of people that would criticize me because I wanted to go to college. Just for that! They said I was "selling out" and turning into a "white boy."

Now if they knew that I'm more than halfway done with college and aspiring to be a dentist (4 more years of school!)... I am kinda curious to what they would say. I know I would not be surprised however.

The sad thing is they actually truly believe that this mentality is going to take them places and get them somewhere in life... when in reality, that "somewhere" for them is more likely to be a jail cell than a cubicle.

I think this is very prevalent especially in younger Hispanics... I distinctly remember how my "friends" in high school were. It's no surprise that I have not heard from any of them since graduating.

Mole,

As an outside observer, it appears Cubans have a different attitude toward things.

I was called a 'white boy' plenty of times by Mexicans growing up in Santa Barbara. They didn't look like me and they didn't act like me, so I found them intimidating. Many of them affiliated with gangs.

I did notice they had a decidedly different attitude towards school, however. At UCLA, I saw almost no Latinos despite the fact that they make up the majority in California now. I saw 2 in my engineering classes. The rest were on the humanities side of the campus.